Steam reached a new peak of 42 million concurrent players today [1]. An average/mid-tier gaming PC uses 0.2 kWh per hour [2]. 42 million * 0.2 gives 8,400,000 kWh per hour, or 8,400 MWh per hour.
By contrast, training GPT3 was estimated to have used 1,300 MWh of energy [3].
This does not account for training costs of newer models, nor inference costs. But we know inference costs are extraordinarily inexpensive and energy efficient [2]. The lowest estimate of energy cost for 1 hour of Steam's peak concurrent player count uses 6.5x more energy than all of the energy that went into training GPT3.
I was skeptical of the LLM energy use claim. I went looking for numbers on energy usage in a domain that most people do not worry about or actively perceive as a net negative. Gaming is a very big industry ($197 billion in 2025 [1], compare to the $252 billion in private AI investment for 2025 [2]) and mostly runs on the same hardware as LLMs. So it's a good gut check.
I have not seen evidence that LLM energy usage is out of control. It appears to be much less than gaming. But please feel free to provide sources that demonstrate this lie.
The question is whether claims of AI energy use have sustenance, or if there are other industries that should be more concerning. People are either truly concerned about the cost of energy or it's a misplaced excuse to reinforce their negative opinions.
I see no point in making this a numbers game. (Like, I was supposed to say "five" or something?)
Let's make it more of a category thing: when AI shows itself responsible for a new category of life-saving technique, like a cure for cancer or Alzheimer's, then I'd have to reconsider.
(And even then, it will be balanced against rising sea levels, extinctions, and other energy use effects.)
Search through github for commits authored by .edu, .ac.uk etc emails and spend a few days understanding what they’ve been building the past few years. Once you’ve picked your jaw off the floor, take another 10 minutes to appreciate that this is just the public code by some researchers, and is crumbs compared to what is being built right now behind closed doors.
Tenured professors are abdicating their teaching positions to work on startups. Commercial labs are pouring billions into tech that was unreachable just a few years ago. Academic labs are downscaling their interns 20x. Historically hermit companies are opening their doors to build partnerships in industry.
The scale of what is happening is difficult to comprehend.
Local LLMs that you can run on consumer hardware don't really do anything though. They are amusing, maybe you could use them for basic text search, but they don't have any real knowledge like the hosted ones do.
Gemma 3 27B, some smaller models in the 8-16B size range, and up to 32B can be run on hardware that fits in the "consumer" bracket. RAM is more expensive now, but most people can afford a machine with 32GB and maybe a small graphics card.
Small models don't have as much world knowledge as very large models (proprietary or open source ones), but it's not always needed. They still can do a lot of stuff. OCR and image captioning, tagging, following well-defined instructions, general chat, some coding, are all things local models do pretty well.
Using SmartSVN which makes life a fair bit better but still keeps this confusing terminology.
We'll be migrating to Git this year though so.
For reference, the codebase is over 20 years old, and includes binary dependencies like libraries. Makes it easy to compile old versions when needed, not so easy on the repository size...
You should really look in to the difference between opt-in and opt-out. Opt-in respects the user; opt-out is for foisting features that the user might not need or want.
The anti-AI folks should just fork everything at this point, because it's hypocritical as hell to complain about it and use a bunch of stuff built with it. Then you can opt out of society!
I'd say the percentage of stuff developed using AI now is higher than the percentage of pro athletes who use performance enhancing drugs, and there's almost as much incentive to mask it and say "made without AI"
The article's title - and the original title of the submission - was specific, bold, and contained a call to action. The new title is bland and unspecific (Linux has been "good" for servers for decades now).
Please revert this submission to use the correct title.
Of course people dying younger is a benefit to society. Old people cost a lot, they're not productive, and (unlike children) they don't have any productive years in their future either. Ideally we would all drop dead of a heart attack 10 years after reaching retirement age (this would also solve the geriatocracy we find ourselves in).
Instead we clutch to life far beyond any societal benefit and, in many cases, beyond personal benefit too, spending a fortune to delay death another few weeks or months… but with incredibly low quality of life.
That said, dying at 58 is probably of no real benefit. But everyone dying a few years younger would have prevented Brexit.
I notice that both you and bragh have this idea - bragh calls it "working years", and you call it "productive years". You only value the lives of people so long as the wealthy are able to extract value from them.
I'm all for death with dignity and not being a burden on your loved ones. But people who've worked all their lives deserve to have a period after where they can enjoy life without the burden of "productivity".
Eventually it doesn't end well indeed. But modern society has made it pretty clear that older men aren't actually needed and are more of a burden. Just look at how triggered the GP of the thread got just about a mention that men might want a different approach when it comes to social stuff.
Well, not needed, unless an actual shooting war breaks out and you need a lot more people pulling guard duty or just some very high-risk stuff younger men should not be wasted on. Like that Ukrainian unit of pensioner men in a ground-attack missile unit who source their own missiles by repairing unexploded ones.
> modern society has made it pretty clear that older men aren't actually needed and are more of a burden
The mistake - which leads to disaster - is more fundamental. Modern society isn't an actual thing with needs, just an abstract concept. Individual people are real, and we all have real rights and needs. 'Goverments exist to protect rights' - society exists to serve the individual, not vice versa. Almost all morality includes protecting and helping the vulnerable.
Who decides who is a burden? Infants and children are also a 'burden' as are people with all sorts of illnesses (and people spreading disinformation). Only the cruelest fascists have suggested they should die to help society, as if that's a reasonable discussion.
> Just look at how triggered the GP
Ad hominem is against HN guidelines. Just stick to the issues instead of trying to change the subject by attacking and characterizing people who don't agree with you.
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