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It's a whooping 9.7‰ increase!

Some would say it's even a 27.3‰ increase, but I think that's a lie.


You can purchase directly on their website or via Setapp. So, I would count this as an argument.


Everyone focuses on how scamming and AI is evolving. I'm rather curious how this will affect marketing. Celebrity endorsements is useful for building trust. I wonder if we see more or less of that in the future.


Are celebrity endorsements actually useful for building trust? Usually i view them in a negative light, thinking that they just paid someone to promote the product, rather that a genuine and organic endorsement.


I think in exactly the same way as you do but if it didn't work at scale then corporations wouldn't do it. Most people are falling for it.


Even if 'most' people aren't falling for it, enough people are falling for it that it's very profitable.


> Are celebrity endorsements actually useful for building trust?

I can't imagine this is highly controversial. Of course celebrity endorsements can be useful for building trust. This is supported observationally and by years of research in marketing psychology. It's not even necessarily limited to megastars : even endorsements from niche influencers and small-fish content creators can be marketing goldmines, nevermind the kind of overnight headwinds your product can get if someone with the reach of Oprah, Rogan, Musk et al starts pushing it.


Personally, I don't know specifically about building trust, but your average person seems to be more likely to buy a product if a celebrity they like is endorsing it. At the very least, a lot more people are going to /hear/ about whatever product some celebrity is endorsing.


Agreed I've never seen a celebrity endorse something and thought "Ah they clearly actually love this product so it must be good!"


It works incredibly well, that's why it keeps happening. Most people do follow pretty much exactly that thought process.

Merely by participating on this forum etc etc etc


That's fair. I just don't get it. It's obvious to me that it's paid for and my assumption is that the person probably hasn't even used the product. So for me, yeah it doesn't work. But you're right, there's a reason these celebs keep getting insane payments for these ads.


I wonder if the rise of deepfakes will finally be the moment that gives us all sufficient incentive to adopt a real, cross-platform authentication infrastructure of some sort (public key auth, etc). There's real value in, say, the NYT being able to authenticate that a reporter's social media presence is legit, and for that reporter to be able to sign and take responsibility for their photographs. Or using your example, some sports star authenticating an ad featuring them. Unsigned media would be considered suspect. This could all be surfaced in a digestible way to users, like we have done with the HTTPS lock icon. Dunno. Probably not, but maybe.


You have to look at the incentives versus counter incentives.

Who is going to be in control of this authentication infrastructure? Private companies? Where do they get the information that is trusted? Other private companies? Governments? Why won't these social media companies try to make their own private infrastructure so they can remain in control rather than potentially allow people to leave to other platforms? How will revocation work? Will the browser have to implement support?

Also: How long before authoritarians demand we sign our stuff?


There's a bunch of different PKI-style schemes, most of which don't require trusting a single central authority. I thought KeyBase's approach struck a good balance between authentication strength & ease of use, maybe something like that could be a good fit.

The incentive would be for online platforms, especially social media, to remain a place people want to be and can have some measure of trust in, rather than be overrun by deepfake-style content.


> Or I just need to give up and revert it to the standard one. :)

Yes please.


I made it expand on hover now.


I came here to say this. Made me close the page after reading a few paragraphs. People need to stop fiddling with styling scroll bars.


I made it expand on hover now.


The irony is that he did use social norms as an example that will never change. However, if we change the example to something that will _really_ never change, it's still quite accurate: (wo)men will always need hats in cold weather.


And yet, when things freeze over where I am, I see a lot of people out and about without hats on.


Maybe the hat industry hasn't invested enough in marketing to them ;)


>(wo)men will always need hats in cold weather.

Women will always need yoga pants in all weather. There updated for modern times )


This discussion reminds me of when Dropbox was at ShowHN and someone was commenting on how this could be done with FTP.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863


No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.[1]

[1] https://m.slashdot.org/story/21026


To be fair, the person asking the question genuinely is interested in the answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37858345


I still haven’t purchased Dropbox. When the choice came up, it seemed important for our backups not to be made in USA.

So, indeed, a very cool replacement was SSH.

I still don’t know anyone who didn’t leave Dropbox after they jacked up the prices. A USB key is much cheaper (and reliable, at the rate at which Dropbox nukes accounts that they deem not compliant with whatever policy).


Most people I know just went with their cloud provider's sync solution once everyone added one (GDrive, iCloud, Amazon photos, OneDrive, Creative Cloud, etc.)

Can't remember the last time I saw a USB key in use anymore.

The cloud stuff is convenient, but it quickly became a commoditu Dropbox is still better in some small ways (like delta syncs) but it wasn't enough I guess.


It's amusing to see "but it wasn't enough I guess" in relation to a profitable $10 billion company with 3,000 employees. That's a pretty good outcome!


Well, it’s relevant: Atlassian launched a paid issue tracker in 2003 when the open-source Mantis was all the rage.

There is always room for a smooth paid service compared to the rough free one. Android and Linux vs twice-more-expensive Apple.


True! It's still a useful product, but the pressure to keep getting huge-r is always there I guess. I knew someone who worked there and they seemed pretty desperate for new initiatives (like the failed Paper). Most of their competitors have online storage as part of their product portfolio. I don't know of anything else major that Dropbox does...


> I still don’t know anyone who didn’t leave Dropbox after they jacked up the prices.

Funny, I don't know anyone who did.


can you elaborate? Wordpress or (personal) blogs in general?


Not OP but I think this mainly due to the newly supported cross platform fediverse profile capability. From the article:

"Your WordPress blog can now become a profile for the fediverse. This means your readers can follow you and receive all the latest posts from your blog directly on their preferred platform. More so, they can engage in enriching conversations by replying to your posts, with their replies reflecting as comments on your blog post, creating a synchronized and interactive experience."


> rebuilt every component from scratch. And we use styled components, not tailwind.

Honest question: Why?


Hi, I'm Charles and leading the engineering work on Twenty!

We've made the bet to invest on a tailored design for our components. Using an existing UI library is a strength to use robust components and move faster, but I've always struggled to customize it.

There is always a point where you want something custom that is not supported by the library and you start hacking into it. On previous projects, I've almost always used existing UI libraries. For Twenty, this is a long term project and the initial burden of creating UI components vs customizing existing ones will be marginal on the long run.

IMO, if you have strong design requirement (and you have enough resources ofc), don't go with UI librairies ; I take as much inspiration as I can from them, I may fork one but I would not hack their API


Agree, it feels like the right decision as well. The grid felt a little bit like shadcn hence I asked.

Using external libraries gives some early velocity, but most of the good looking libraries are incomplete and most of the complete ones are boring (material / bootstrap)


Charles, you may want to fix that link at bottom of main page on github ( Get Started with Twenty.) that yields a 404 not found error.


We want our design to match exactly Figma. Shadcn could have been an option because their approach is to have users copy/paste the code, so it could have worked. But copying styles from Figma isn't much more work, it wasn't painful


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