Canada? Australia? 30% (or more) salary cut certainly applies but academic systems are similar and resources are in the same ballpark at top research universities.

Sorry to be pedantic, but this is not dynamic programming.

No need to be sorry

A lot of trained computer scientists work primarily as engineers. Sometimes engineers do science. Sometimes scientists do engineering. In my experience it's not clear cut.

Depending on the sub field of CS, some academics do mostly engineering stuff with (hopefully) rigorous evaluations of their work, while others (HCI in particular) do a lot of formal science.

Outside of a handful places (like MSR and similar) people with computer science training generally don't participate in the production of new knowledge within the framework of the scientific method. But usually they could, if needed.

Hate to be a fanboy, but probably because they'd do an awesome job of it (where MS certainly has not).

Apple can really do no wrong. It's impossible to think of any proposal Apple could have which would not receive this response, unless it was inoculating orphans with polio or something.

Not only does Apple get criticized all the time, they get criticized the most by their own fans, as five minutes spent on any popular Apple forum would illustrate. Anyone who thinks that they get a pass for everything is intentionally ignoring both the media and the users.

One of the biggest Mac writers even has a blog and defunct podcast called Hypercritical to talk about what Apple does wrong. There's a lot of loyalty, and some blinded by it, but it's often tempered with the realisation they aren't perfect.

Antennae gate, flash not on iOS, maps, no new Power Mac, new magsafe plug, new smaller idevice plug, making a bigger iphone when they said they wouldn't, making a smaller ipad when they said they wouldn't, introducing reading list in the face of instapaper-like services, the crappy icloud service, crappy mobileme service, the gizomodo raid, the lack of blocks on children buying in app stuff, blocking 3rd parties if they don't give 30% of in app purchase price to Apple, taking 30% of app price, imessage bugs, email search, ITUNES (all of it).

Apple has done some things that infuriate me -- for example, I still haven't upgraded to iOS 6 due to the whole Maps thing. However, I think I speak for even the most jaded Apple users when I say that I trust Jony Ive's design sense implicitly.

Apple has been known to get a lot of things wrong, sometimes really important things, but never anything along these lines. I expect to be blown away.

Exactly. I'm ashamed that my first reaction reading this was to blame OP. But in the 2 min it took to read the post I had come full circle to wondering what kind of terribly run company would allow this to happen--I guess the type that hires philosophy majors straight out of college without vetting their engineering skills.

> the type that hires philosophy majors straight out of college without vetting their engineering skills.

Or hires them and then adequately educating them in software development.

Or one that doesn't have a process to ensure that backup and recovery procedures when something like this happens are as painless as possible.

Trying not to be excessively critical as building a framework like this is a big undertaking, but the aesthetics are bad, it doesn't differentiate itself, and it managed to crashed my browser. All very troubling, especially for a front-end framework.

Sorry! Not sure what the deal is with the Safari issue related to the tooltips plugin yet. :/

However, as stated in big superscript on the brand name, Groundwork is in Beta and was just published on February 5th (15 days ago). If you would all submit issues and contribute to the project on Github, I bet these bugs will quickly become a thing of the past! :D

yep, still there.

Well put--this largely sums up my perspective in these sorts of discussions, though I've never been able to put it quite so coherently.