There was no logical flaw or even a logical debate.
The officer was asking for ID and being obtuse about the matter of which form of ID 99.9% show in such a situation.
For all this person knows, I have zero forms of ID.
And it's completely irrelevant - by the time this exchange occurred, he had already - three times - ignored my direct, clear statement that I was not showing ID.
> That's not the attitude or tone you use on a stranger, let alone on a police officer.
These two categories are not mutually exclusive: these people were complete strangers to me, and their occupation has no bearing on the matter. They weren't doing their jobs, which is to enforce the law. They were doing something completely superfluous and unlawful, for 75+ person-minutes of taxpayer time.
I'm not sure if I am going to be able to change your mind. You don't seem open to it.
But let me ask you: if a complete stranger detains and attempts to intimate you in just the manner as occurred to me that night, exactly what tone do you think is appropriate? Do you think it's wrong to point out the absurdity of not only presuming that you have ID but demanding to see it?
The officer was asking for ID and being obtuse about the matter of which form of ID 99.9% show in such a situation.
For all this person knows, I have zero forms of ID.
And it's completely irrelevant - by the time this exchange occurred, he had already - three times - ignored my direct, clear statement that I was not showing ID.
> That's not the attitude or tone you use on a stranger, let alone on a police officer.
These two categories are not mutually exclusive: these people were complete strangers to me, and their occupation has no bearing on the matter. They weren't doing their jobs, which is to enforce the law. They were doing something completely superfluous and unlawful, for 75+ person-minutes of taxpayer time.
I'm not sure if I am going to be able to change your mind. You don't seem open to it.
But let me ask you: if a complete stranger detains and attempts to intimate you in just the manner as occurred to me that night, exactly what tone do you think is appropriate? Do you think it's wrong to point out the absurdity of not only presuming that you have ID but demanding to see it?