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there was a fitness instructor in colorado that didn't get the vaccine because he had tested and had antibodies in his blood. then he got covid again(or maybe the first time?) and it just absolutely decimated his body. he lost 70 lbs and is walking around with an oxygen bottle. the only real way to make sure you have proper antibodies and B and T cell responses is to have either gotten a symptomatic case of covid that lasted a while or getting the vaccine.(yes that's also not foolproof wrt antibodies/t/b response but it's a generally good method)


You can't learn much from a sample size of 1. In particular, there are people who have been vaccinated who have also died of COVID. The question is whether or not natural immunity affords comparable (or better) protection to the virus than the vaccine, and it seems that the data are indicating that it does. This should be a good thing--instead of being angry that it takes away our justification to force others to do something, we should be happy at the prospect of combatting covid without having to force people to do anything.


If we're using anecdotes... how about the fully vaccinated guy that didn't have antibodies? Seems like issues can exist on both sides.

Not the specific guy, but... https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/half-people-did-had-no-11063...


Bill Phillips, author of Body For Life and founder of EAS supplements before selling it to Abbott.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article253708748.htm... (Unvaccinated fitness guru gets COVID and spends 47 days intubated. ‘I made a mistake’)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Phillips_(author)


He has likely done major damage to his body through the use of steroids. He was a professional bodybuilder who admitted to using. This is definitely not a good anecdote.


yeah that guy is the one I was talking about. The virus is like playing russian roulette without a vaccine in you.


Russian Roulette has 1-6 odds, COVID is much closer to 1-6000 than it is to 1-6.


You may be surprised to hear this - but it's actually the case that fewer people died this year to Russian Roulette than to COVID - and a lot of those people didn't volunteer to spin the wheel. I don't think the specifics about proportional chance of loss are particularly relevant.


You may be surprised to hear this - but you need to normalize for frequency to make a meaningful comparison.


> The virus is like playing russian roulette without a vaccine in you.

Some people love to gamble.

There exist people who are risk averse, risk neutral, or risk loving (in an economic or psychologic sense): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_aversion


That's cool - you can also love playing Russian Roulette itself - that doesn't mean we have to make it legal for you to actually do that.

If the worst thing a vaccine mandate is doing is preventing you from getting your jollies from being an idiot I see no problem with enforcing a mandate.




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