> I'm not parent, but it sounds like you might have the causality of this backwards. Parent wouldn't be a fan in the first place if he didn't think that he's done good things.

You seem to need a quick brush up on what marketing is.

Parent is a fan because the internet told him to be. Parent is a fan of great things that Musk explicitly has not actually done.

Perhaps it would be better to be more charitable to parent's views (and to mine).

> You seem to need a quick brush up on what marketing is. > Parent is a fan because the internet told him to be.

Question: Are you a non-fan of Musk because of marketing? After all, five years ago many people were much bigger fans of Musk, and the last few years have been full of anti-Musk messaging from various corners. So perhaps you are more a victim of marketing than parent? The "Internet" is for sure telling people to be anti-Musk nowadays.

I think it's more charitable to treat your views and parents views as sincerely held, and argue about the views directly, not about whether or not they are "just the result of marketing/the internet/the media/whatever". It'll make for a more interesting conversation.

> Question: Are you a non-fan of Musk because of marketing?

I'm a non-fan of Musk because it is default to be a non-fan of people, because he's done nothing of value, and he's done a lot of damage to the planet

I don't like people who call heroes pedophiles. I don't like people with a long history of firing their staff for what they say, who go on to call themselves free speech extremists.

I don't like ultra-rich men who give nothing to the starving.

I don't like people gassing the worst in politics.

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> After all, five years ago many people were much bigger fans of Musk

If you take your opinions from Reddit and HN, maybe.

Please stop trying to explain that it's normal to like this man, and diagnosing people for failing to get it, now. This is ultra-fan behavior, and really quite gross.

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> I think it's more charitable to treat your views and parents views as sincerely held

It's very weird that you keep invoking charity.

I'm not really that worried about the opinions of a Musk ultra-fan, frankly, nor your attempts to tell me that I should steer my opinions to what you think will make for interesting conversation.

Go fanboy somewhere else.

Look, say and think whatever you want, I don't really care. But just fyi that your comment is pretty rude, and assumes a lot of things about me that aren't true.

It's not in the spirit of this site to act this way, which is why I made my original comment. More importantly, it's just a pretty obnoxious way to behave towards people. If you don't care cause you think I'm just a "gross ultra-fan", well, that's your right, you do you.

> But just fyi that your comment is pretty rude

You really tried to ask me whether the reason I wasn't a fan of him was because marketing made me so after I said really why; questioned whether I was "the victim of marketing;" instructed me that the reason for my not liking who you like is the internet telling me not to; instructed me two separate times in a single message about how to be charitable (by agreeing with you, and with nothing to do with actual charity;) then recoiled when I said "stop fanboying at me," as if I was the rude one, and chose to lecture me at length about the spirit of the site and how rude I am, for not wanting to be told that my opinions are based rather than what I said actually on marketing by someone who can't tell me my first name or whether I wear glasses

In reality, it's for the reasons I said before you argued with me about my beliefs and identity, then called me rude when I reacted by not couching up to you and learning about myself from you

I think you really honestly can't see it

Please stop now. Third time in a row that I've asked. Thanks.