>Plus, you don’t get a second chance fixing your own brain.

Says who?

I also believe your argument suffers from an attention fallacy. We allow (and encourage) people to do quite a lot of things that are outright more destructive and dangerous. Just walk past any gambling hall and have a look inside if you need an example. There are proper addicts there driven to extreme measures by desperation and tunnel views.

edit: If you need an example, a class mate of a very good friend of mine got into the habit of spending his pay check playing slots. He is currently serving time for cocaine smuggling after he ran out of options and couldnt see any other way out. Once losses are mounting peoples sanity goes quickly. Cocaine smuggling is by far not the worst thing he could have gotten himself into. And its not like putting him in detox for a week would have cleared his mind up as long as the debt is still there.

The 'rest of us' don't have to foot any bill. Your argument is a slippery slope fallacy that leads down the path of banning anything potentially dangerous. People take risks every day and psychedelic experiences are no different.

Haha. This is funny because you're making a slippery slope argument that consists of chastising gp for making a slippery slope argument (which they didn't).

GP was just saying (given their assumptions / understanding) that it's a bad trade-off to allow people to take these particular risks. That the costs outweigh the benefits.

You, on the other hand, claim gp's (supposed) slippery slope will lead down the path of banning anything... in other words, that if we ban people from taking [these risks] it creates a slippery slope to arbitrarily banning all kinds of things with any risk involved.

yes, that’s what collective health care means, regardless of if it’s state-mandated, or fully private.

you, or i, don’t get to decide what’s fair to treat, or who’s deserving of treatment.

While it's true you could do permanent damage with improper, reckless use of tools and get, eg HPPD, the brain is also resilient, and, eg nitrous oxide abuse takes a long time to get to a level of causing harm (which it very much can through B12 depletion), but used properly (aka taking B12 supplements) it can be used without doing damage, giving you as many chances to fix your own brain as you can afford, if that is a route you want to take.

>> if you screw this extremely delicate self-administered chemical mind alteration up, the rest of us have to foot the bill for the resulting care / homelessnes / crime.

What are you on about? Have you actually tried any of the substances mentioned in the parent comment?

I have personally seen people become dependent on nitrous oxide. Take it away from them and they have no problem stopping, though.

Money + no responsibilities + nitrous shipped to your door is a very very very very bad combo for some people.

I've personally used all of those substances without having mental breakdowns and know many people that have as well. But I do know people that have went down dark paths with nitrous. More intense than the worst alcoholism, imo.

Sure. And we should outlaw motorcycle riding, rock climbing, and rodeo while we’re at it. After all, the rest of us are going to have to foot the bill when you get hurt. I’m sure we can expand that list.

I definitely don't think I should have to pay if you're being reckless, and doing something crazy like sleeping in your bed when a meteor or jet engine or toilet seat falls out of the sky and kills you. I hate freeloaders, ugh.

Yes. But you have insurance for all that kind of activity. I hope.