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Why isn't anyone signing up? (imgz.org)
66 points by alserio on April 1, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 89 comments


I'm trying to think of when I'd want to pay for this.

If I have to put a link to an image somewhere to be able to refer to it anonymously on someone like Reddit or HN (that is, I want someone to see an image, but I don't want to give them a personally-identifiable account) I'm ok posting to Imgur. Sure, I don't like being the product, but I have an ad-block, I do it like twice a year, and it's not enough to pay $12 for.

If I want to actually share photos or something with people I know, I'll use Google Photos.

If I need to share an image with someone professionally, I'll use Google Drive.


Hmm, maybe I should have made sure I wasn't the only potential customer before I made this.


I think the problem is that you mention cocaine on your pricing page and then refuse to offer your customers any.


We tailor our plans for our Enterprise customers. To add cocaine to your subscription, please give us a call.


Does it come with a four nines purity SLA?


Nine fives.


Are you at least cutting it with something organic?


Our experienced customer success agent can answer that question in your annual call.


Great, now I have to talk to you?!

I want my dollar back


It's mine now!


The language and messaging is very negative.

- Introduction: In the first line "but are ashamed of what Imgur has become?" why should I be ashamed of imgur?

- Emotional Appeal: If you are referring to a person who is willing to pay a non zero amount of money as "You are cheap" why would one go ahead and press the pay button?

- Screaming I don't care : You seek feedback and state that you might not do anything about it in the same sentence.

I guess you might have actively prevented few willing customers and made them to reconsider their choices.


When IMGZ was first announced a few years ago[1], someone mentioned that the marketing style was "extremely distasteful and offensive."[2]

I had the same thought. If I was going to pay someone, it would be nice if the recipient sounded more professional.

I guess the marketing didn't work.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21627714

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21629734


It worked for me!


I just want you to know that even I won't be paying for your service, the marketing worked for me, too. Haters gonna hate, but those who know, know. Thanks for all that you do.


<3


> Listen, this is half service, half art project

To be fair, the admin is pretty upfront about the project in their FAQ.


> why should I be ashamed of imgur?

You don't have to, but you can, if you want.

> - Emotional Appeal: If you are referring to a person who is willing to pay a non zero amount of money as "You are cheap" why would one go ahead and press the pay button?

To get a subscription, of course!

> - Screaming I don't care : You seek feedback and state that you might not do anything about it in the same sentence.

Yeah, I thought about the contradiction there, but I somehow don't care that people don't sign up and also want to know why they aren't signing up.


I don't even know what it is


Surely a well meaning joke that I missed :)


It was!


Can you include some form an MLM scheme into subscriptions as well?


That is also an interesting idea. Maybe you can get friends to sign up and upload a bunch of images, and you get cash back.


I absolutely love the abrasive tone and if I had need for an image host, I'd be on that sweet-sweet cheapass tier in no time flat.

I like knowing this is just a person, and I would be willing to pay for that. I get the sense this person is too annoyed to double monetize me secretly (only half jokingly: you wont get that kinda confidence just anywhere). And they don't attempt to put-on-airs wrt the competence required to work a small-to-mid scale image hosting platform. Yet it still feels competent enough that I'm not worried about uptime. Plus they have cli tools to boot.

However, as others have said, I just don't know when I would use this.

To be frank, I don't even fully understand how igmur makes money with most people using some form of adblock (there was an article on here claiming 50% of Americas now do so). Plus I imagine if you are looking for some type of hosting that skews even further. I hadn't even realize igmur pivoted into a four-video-ads-per-image social media platform because of said adblock.

I guess this is why we can't have nice things.


I love you and want you as a customer. The emails we'd exchange alone would be worth it all.


Making the pivot to dating service. I like it.


Swipe right to pay $3, swipe left to have your data sold to a thousand partners.


It is very clearly a joke recognizing that the service doesn't actually provide any value that isn't easily found elsewhere for free. But it's also functional, in that those that are paying for it are likely to see that if they want to keep it going they will need to pay more, but if they don't really need it, they can let it die. It puts the choice in the hands of the users without trying to bullshit them that the service is actually worth the cost.


Boy, I was not expecting the set of comments I'm looking at here.

Folks -- this is _clearly_ sarcasm! This guy could not care less how many people use his service (or at least, he's maintaining a good spirit about how hard it can be).

For what it's worth, I thought it was very funny :)


Thanks! It's ok, people's reactions are part of the art of the thing.


Well, some of us appreciate it. Felt like a good McSweeney’s article.

If you do a followup, may I suggest “If you all don’t refer more users to this service, I’m raising prices”


Oh man, how about I automatically raise prices by a cent per month for each missing user if I don't get 100 sign-ups per month?


I realize this is an April Fools Post …

But with that being said, media hosting sites (image, video, even email hosting) become deceptively low margin very fast.

With no ability to purge a users catalog of media, over time - a user become LESS profitable for you (because the more you’re having to store for them, the higher that user costs you).

If new account growth slows, it can create a situation where you are unprofitable.

Just FYI in case anyone is looking to get into this business.


They also just aren’t that useful anymore. A while back, if you wanted to send someone an image, you had to host it somewhere. Now almost any platform that you could send someone a link, you can also send/embed an image.

I used to be a heavy user of imgur for Reddit and irc, but I haven’t had a need for it in ages.


But I already charge the user for all their space, even if they fill it up.


Most people wrongly price storage cost.

E.g., IMGZ charges $34/500GB storage = $0.068/GB.

https://imgz.org/money/

When you factor in credit card fees, server cost, storage costs, bandwidth, customer support, etc. - margins become razor thin (if not unprofitable if your user base is high utilizing their plans)

Even BackBlaze, known for building their own storage servers to drive down cost, they too have been losing money for years.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BLZE/financials/?guccounter=...


> credit card fees

3.4%, so that's $1.15.

> server cost

That costs $5/mo and hosts another ten projects, so it's $0.50/mo

> storage costs

That's $4/TB/mo, so pretty ok.

> bandwidth

That's free, as I know better than to run this on AWS.

> customer support

Oh I don't reply to customers. I have to make money somehow!


Do you charge them a one time fee for that space?

If so, then your costs will eventually eclipse that.

Do you charge exactly the cost of the space they use and recurring costs + some extra?

If so, how did you attract users?


> Do you charge them a one time fee for that space?

I feel like you didn't even look at the site. It's monthly.

> Do you charge exactly the cost of the space they use and recurring costs + some extra?

No, I looked at the price of the space, quadrupled it, and charged that.

> If so, how did you attract users?

I mean, I didn't, that's why this post is here.


Oh sorry, I didn’t know IMGZ was yours.

I thought you were someone guessing at how to make money as an image hosting service.


Ahh, no, yep, I made it! I did explicitly stay away from the cloud, because it makes the service a thousand times cheaper, up to a certain scale (where I'll have a good problem, anyway).


In line with the answers in the FAQ and what other commenters have mentioned this is intentionally made to be hostile and out of touch, and I absolutely love it for that.

There’s not enough humor and parodies in startups and software. Bring it on :)

Also, definitely not paying for a service like this. Especially not with this level of professionalism.

I think I’ll go to the competitor, Oracle Advanced Image Sharing for Hadoop…


How DARE you


Having never heard of this service, I personally had a negative reaction to the name. I think it comes from seeing the z and associating it with warez, aka something illegal.


Oh man, you shouldn't try to look at the images on the service, then.


Ah, damn, I missed this post on the front page! I didn't expect it here, let me reply.


The reason to not pay for this is that there are free alternatives (eg. imgur)

If you need more control, you can just serve the files in your own server and tell couldflare to proxy cache your static files.

For home customers, you can pay for 100GB google drive storage for less than $2/mo


I didn’t even know that this existed. But I upload images for public sharing perhaps once a year or once in two years. So I don’t need this service.

I’m not writing an email as requested in the blog post because that entire post has not even one link to the main page of the service being talked about. Only those who click on one link to another blog post and then navigate to the main page may bother to email.

I think something is deeply missing in the way this blog post is written. And it’s likely that this is not the only post with such deficiencies.


I think the problem may be that if you’re technical enough to want a privacy first static image host, you probably can use S3, GCP, etc.

If you’re not all that technical, you’ll just post to instagram or send on a messaging app.

Maybe some kind of feature with a static page to host images could be useful to folks? Maybe just a service that lets folks host a single image on a domain, even.


So what you're saying is that there is a sweet spot between the two groups, and I should market to those ten people?


facepalm lol -- I totally fell for your April 1 joke; nice job :)


Thanks!

it wasn't a joke :(


If you didn't want people to think it's a joke, why have you posted it less than two months _before_ April first? Also, do you have RSS on the blog? I've missed it on February, sorry


Two months? Jesus, I wrote this the other day. Where does the time go?

I'm not sure about RSS, I'll check, but with three posts in four years, you aren't missing much. I have no idea how anyone even saw this.


i was reading your comments on an old hn thread and you entertained the idea of writing again for the blog post, so i had to check


I find the idea of hosting anything on s3 to be terrifying since someone could set up a script to spam download it and AWS will send me a $1000 bill for the usage.


I don’t have a use case for this service.

I rarely produce images other than photos, and I don’t like sharing personal photos publicly, like Imgur.

When I share photos, I do via text messages, rarely email nowadays.

I wonder who’s the demographic for this service? Maybe if you define the demographic you could narrow down the message to them.


Well, the demographic is basically me, and I'm already a subscriber, so I guess I'm pretty successful at marketing, except my market is too small.


Don't be so hard on yourself, I think you're a perfectly adequate size.


I'll have you know my weight is appropriate and attractive!


It’s nearly wordy enough to be seen as an elaborate satire on why tech savvy should pay for an image host.

If you seriously want to bother maintaining a solution your market has out grown then strip it down to pure utility. Remove all copy, branding, colors, and lower price to $2/year.


It used to be $5/year, but people kept complaining that $5/month is too expensive.


I have to thank you. Because like you, I had the desire to subvert the mainstream, question normality, and be cool, but I could feel my desire to do so waning after seeing your example. (I'm serious)


I saw the pricing page hit HN about a year ago. I sent it to non tech friends in a group chat as a laugh.

But... I'd never even consider handing over my credit card or other PII to such an obviously blasé admin.


Good thing you don't have to! Payments are processed via Stripe.

Also, I don't want to spoil the surprise, but the other sites you hand your PII to are much worse. I'm just upfront about it.


Too difficult to use.

Start with the upload image box then give them a URL

But unlock it only if they then continue to Stripe payment with recurring plan

Only 0.1% will convert but that's OK if you get traffic


Oh man, I like your style. I'll try that.


As one of the users of imgz, I'm ashamed that I'm not getting ripped off in more than one way. stavros, have you considered IMGZ-coin???


SOMEONE ELSE IN THE THREAD SUGGESTED THIS AND I'M WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW! So exciting


Sigh, yet another business that takes money in exchange for a service. I'm sick of it. I think this site would be much more compelling if I could pay an annual fee, and then get some money back for each image I want to become an ad-riddled social media-ified mess. That way, I could deposit my life savings and use it to top up my bank account whenever I need some liquid cash.


This is genius. I should create a cryptocurrency to help with that.


Just add some generative AI to it and the venture funds will throw money at you, then - bah! - who the fuck needs users?!


I need users so I can sell their data to businesses for money, then I can sell the businesses' data to investors for more money!


This actually sounds really appealing to me! Sharing photos with family is generally pretty easy since everyone uses Google photos, but once or twice every year I want to get a photo from someone on IOS and it is a nightmare every single time. If I could send them a link and say "just upload it here and send me back the link it gives you", rather than having to explain for the hundredth time that if they send it in a text it will get turned into a potato, that would be pretty awesome.

Unfortunately I can't tell if that would be possible because either you are hugged to death (at 37 upvotes?) or Cloudflare has decided I'm a robot (maybe I am..)

For what it's worth, the direct, joking, but somehow simultaneously no bullshit tone if the site was incredibly appealing to me. If it had been a bunch of smooth talking "look how we'll solve all your problems" mumbo jumbo like most commercial sites I'd almost certainly have bounced and not even made it as far as commenting here. I'm still a long way from becoming an actual paying user, but I'm interested.


Hmm, that's an interesting idea, I could make a secret link that people could use to upload files to your space, without ever seeing the resulting image link. Thanks for the idea!


Why has this post disappeared from the front page, dang? :(


Most image sharing is ephemeral. Nobody cares if the image is gone 3 weeks from now, or if some private equity firm destroys the host company entirely in a year. Nobody's going to go through the hoop jumps required to pay for such a service, even just constantly having to re-log-in if you don't use it too often.


This whole thing is a troll as far as I can tell


It's a site


Indeed


I thought I recognized that url. Those first two blog posts were some much needed humor in late 2020. Glad to see it’s still a thing. We need more irreverent shit like this.


Oh man, has it been that long already? I can't believe it was four years ago...


ibb.co is free


What else is wrong with it?


> Then pay for your crap!

Yeah, they may want to reword that.


I don't like rewording bad behavior.


Yet another image host. That'll work out. Heh.


I'll have you know, it's very profitable! It costs a dollar a month to run and it makes two!


It may now, but when the scammers and the leeches move in, profits approach 0.


Not if you always charge more than it costs to run.




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