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Hey, did the man in the telly ever tell you about how messy the process of setting Ukraine's borders was back in 1990? Independent countries had to be carved out from the corpse of the USSR, and how does one set their borders? Well, one convenient way would be to use some existing administrative boundary, and this Ukraine was created within the borders of the Ukrainian SSR...

Except that it wasn't that easy. Even back then there as debate over what status Crimea should have. The region already was an autonomy, and even held elections and elected a president. And then got attached to Ukraine anyway and had its independence obliterated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Meshkov



Sure, because there is not 100% consensus on the political situation of Crimea, that gives the right of Russia to invade Ukraine and kill people as much as it wants.

There is a mechanism to resolve those matters: referendums. Once again your arguments are left wanting. Messy and difficult internal politics surrounding fundamental issues does not allow the invasion of a neighbour.

Crimea didn't need daddy Russia to forcibly integrate it into the Russian state. It could have done that all its own if it had wanted. The fact Russia has to lower itself to violence to integrate territory illustrates how poor its logic is.


Funny, because just such a referendum was held. And ignored. And I'm not talking about the recent one, but the one back in the early 1990s.


It wasn't ignored -- it got a lot of attention all right.

But then 2014 happened, and everything changed. Once you choose to ally yourself with a foreign power that is aggressively attacking the larger nation you are attempting to secede from -- as the political establishment of the ASSR did at the time -- your moral claim to independence (a key being always an assurance that you will never do harm to that nation) is instantly invalidated.

And when that foreign power you are seeking to ally with also happens to be the one that genocided a large chunk of your indigenous population -- not centuries ago; but in living memory -- that claim is nullified even further.




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