> I've toted around a laptop with whole disk encryption for > 15 years and never lost data.
me too. Until I did. Negative anecdotes in a discussion about rare events are unhelpful.
My point is not that journaling is useless and should be dropped (I only use openBSD in things that are either readonly storage or virtualized on a host which does have proper FS). My point is that the "new setup" used by most distros introduced a lot of things that are above the journal. We have been rocking FDE for over 10yr, but the mass of people with crappy hardware and who just unplug their computers are only exposed to FDE for the past couple years.
My experience with LUKS robustness is less so, but I've uncleanly powered off many a laptop with BitLocker, FileVault, and commercial encryption with no ill effects.
me too. Until I did. Negative anecdotes in a discussion about rare events are unhelpful.
My point is not that journaling is useless and should be dropped (I only use openBSD in things that are either readonly storage or virtualized on a host which does have proper FS). My point is that the "new setup" used by most distros introduced a lot of things that are above the journal. We have been rocking FDE for over 10yr, but the mass of people with crappy hardware and who just unplug their computers are only exposed to FDE for the past couple years.