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Canada's housing crisis goes well beyond just the large cities. It extends into small towns as far as the Yukon. It may be a somewhat different situation compared with the US.


Smaller town in Canada don't really have skyrocketing prices.

For example, in Whitehorse in Yukon the average house was $420k (or $550k inflation adjusted to 2024) in 2015, and $660k in 2024. So less than 20% growth after inflation within the last decade.

During that time, Vancouver BC went from $640k ($820k after inflation) to $1300k.

The average square footage also went down in BC, but stayed stable in YK.


> For example, in Whitehorse in Yukon the average house was $420k (or $550k inflation adjusted to 2024) in 2015, and $660k in 2024. So less than 20% growth after inflation within the last decade.

These are already insanely high prices for such small, remote, and undesirable cities


Whitehorse is not undesirable, it's located in a beautiful valley and has a fairly mild climate. And I specifically took the worst case of price growth in YK. If you look at Watson Lake, the price there has not grown at all.

My point is that smaller cities in Canada are not experiencing runaway price growth.

This should make it clear that it's not a housing shortage problem. Otherwise, it'd be experienced equally across the board.


> Whitehorse is not undesirable, it's located in a beautiful valley and has a fairly mild climate

I think you have a somewhat skewed idea of mild climate, tbh, because the Territories aren't what I think most people consider mild

I'm also not talking about necessarily the scenery. What is the nightlife like? The job market? The restaurants?

Also being that far north you have the problem of the length of days and nights being very skewed throughout the year


> the Territories aren't what I think most people consider mild

Mild from June to August but the winter months do not look appealing.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/whitehorse/climat...


It’s still a housing shortage problem if what houses there are, are situated where people don’t want to live.


Vancouver has more houses per capita than Whitehorse does. It is where the houses are, both in relative and overwhelmingly absolute terms.

The only problem is that they are more expensive than people wish they were. But that high price condition comes as a result of people wanting to live there. The way to undo high prices is to see people no longer want to live there (or, at least want to live elsewhere just as much).


Or build more housing there.


New houses generally cost more than used houses. If people already think a used house is more than they can afford, who is going to pay even more to build a new house?

If you truly believe you can build new houses in Vancouver for less than the cost of its used houses, you've found one amazing arbitrage opportunity. You should be asking yourself why investors aren't lined up at your door.


Building new houses reduces the cost of used houses!

Coincidentally, the price of used cars went way up during the pandemic, right when the supply of new cars was bottlenecked by industry shutdowns and a global semiconductor shortage. Even though new cars generally cost more than used cars. Strange but true!


> Building new houses reduces the cost of used houses!

You're not wrong if you live in a house inside a vacuum, but, again, in the real world, if people are already struggling with the used price, who is going to pay even more to build new?

As surprising as it may be, houses won't magically materialize on the back of hopes and dreams. They require intense amounts of real labour to build and labour isn't going to show up if you aren't throwing copious amounts of money constantly in their face. If nobody wants to pay that labour the unfathomable amounts of money they require, a house is not getting built.

> Strange but true!

Not particularly strange, but cars are now stuck in the same situation, with the price of new cars having become prohibitively expensive and used cars are failing to come back down even as supply chains are no longer bottlenecked. In fact, the assembly plant near me just closed citing weak demand, so it seems there is even excess capacity. Much like houses, cars don't magically materialize either. They need willing buyers. But if you have no willing buyers...


That's just another way to say what I'm saying: people are being forced into ever-denser cities, into ever-more-miserable living conditions.


Density isn’t necessarily misery. I live in a dense city in Europe and would pick it over American/canadian shithole sprawl any day of the week.

Also, no, we definitely aren’t saying the same thing you and I.


You can get actual castles in France for less than that, and not too far from a tgv line




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