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The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies. There is a direct correlation between loosening enforcement and lifting such sanctions and increased support for Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. It's preposterous to claim that they do not work.


The US is the one arming terrorist proxies. See Syria with Jolani/Isis/Alqaeda...


>The sanctions on the Mullah regime have prevented financing of more proxies.

Less funding of proxies just means Israel gets away with killing more civilians without consequence.


You might say that, but the proxies weren't so keen on saving their citizens' lives either. Bashar Assad killed 600'000 of his own citizens. Hamas uses hospitals and UN schools as their command centers. Hezbollah has underground tunnels under civilian infrastructure where their leaders hide. The Iranian government assists with and finances the bombing on Jewish people all over the world. I wouldn't start pointing fingers so soon.


You are therefore agreeing that sanctions works, but you oppose the goals of the US government and wish they did not work.


Well, lets see how that worked out:

1. Hamas, an Iranian proxy, attacked Israel on October 7th 2023. Until that time, the death toll in the 100 years of Israeli-Palestinian conflict was about 10k Israels to 40k Palestinians. It since became 12k Israelis to 110k Palestinians. I don't think that proxy fulfilled its intention.

2. Hezbollah, another Iranian proxy, attacked Israel on October 8th in support of Hamas. The ensuing war killed about 4k Lebanese. That proxy, too, seems to have failed in its mission to reduce the death tol..

3. The Houthis, yet another Iranian proxy, attacked Israel in support of Gaza. Since then, Israeli counter attacks killed several hundreds in Yemen. Not good.

Now these proxies are heavily damaged, deprived of most strategic capabilities and the death toll in the ensuing battles dwarfed all of the past deaths in the Israeli-Arab conflict.


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Israel is occupying a piece of land it violently seized by force and ethnic cleansing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba . The people of Palestine have a right to self defense just like anyone else; exercising that right doesn't make them terrorists.


The notion that Israel was created by force is just not true. Jews were always a part of historical Palestine, and most of the land they inhabited was legally bought, by bodies like the JNF, up until the war of 1948. That war, started by the Arabs, came as a result of the League of Nations declaration of the formation of Israel. It's important to stress that there was never a Palestinian country, nor a cohesive Palestinian nation ahead of the formation of Israel. That historical land was controlled by various empires, and people used to come and go through it quite freely.


Tell that to the Palestinians families whose homes they owned for generations were stolen by Israel and their children are now murdered in the most horrible ways.


I'll tell them that opening the war on Israel and the Jews on 1948 was the wrong move and they unfortunately paid a hefty price. It was a choice, done at a community level: many Arabs chose to accept Israel and not attack it in 1948 and are now Israeli-Arabs (about 23% of the population). Nothing was stolen from them and they are amongst the most prosperous Arabs in the Middle East.


This is ahistorical propaganda. Nakba was the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians in favor of invading Europeans. Israel was fully created through terrorism and war crimes, which continue at scale to this day.


No, that's false. "Nakba" refers to the exodus of the Palestinians during 1948. It says exactly that in the Wiki. The exodus came as a result of war, first between the local Arabs and the Jews, and more prominently when Arab armies joined the war against Israel after it was declared a state.

Israel was given statehood by a decision of the League of Nations, the body preceding the UN.


Very easy to verify that what you're saying is false:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba


Verify that what exactly is false? It literally says that: "The term is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war in Mandatory Palestine as well as Israel's ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians"


Literally the first sentence:

> The Nakba (Arabic: النَّكْبَة, romanized: an-Nakba, lit. 'the catastrophe') is the Israeli ethnic cleansing[14] of Palestinian Arabs through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations.




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