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He's a complicated figure. He has done so much good as well. EVs in the US and reusable rockets owe a lot to him. OTOH, so does the cesspool that is X.




There are no elon musk museums. There are no elon musk hospitals. There are no elon musk centers for unwed mothers.

How could the richest man in the world give so little back.


It probably doesn't help but Elon himself is a center for unwed mothers.

Traditionally those are the things that happen once someone retires and starts contemplating where their money should go after they die.

Bill Gates is still kickin'. There are credible independent estimates that his funding has saved tens of millions of lives that would've been lost to malaria, AIDS, and other diseases.

Effective altruism and other New Age garbage pseudo philosophy can't hold a candle to that.


> Bill Gates is still kickin'.

And he's retired, so the money is no longer useful to him for maintaining control over the company he runs or expanding it, which is when it traditionally starts going to charities.


In my opinion, one of the things that most reveals a person's biases and worldview is which tech oligarchs they revere and which they loathe

To reveal my own bias / worldview, I loathe and detest Bill Gates in nearly every way and have done so for over three decades. I think he has had a massively negative impact on humanity, mainly by making the computer industry so shitty for 4+ decades but in other more controversial areas as well.

With Elon Musk, while perceiving a number of big faults in the man, I also acknowledge that he has helped advance some very beneficial technologies (like electric vehicles and battery storage). So I have a mixed opinion on him, while with Gates, he is almost all evil and has had a massive negative impact on the planet.


What if you think they're all evil?

Yeah, that's cool. I loathe almost all of them too (e.g. Zuckerberg, Altman, Hoffman, Ellison, etc)

I guess what I'm saying is that when people only fixate on one oligarch, which one they mostly focus on can be quite telling.


Let's just ignore Tesla's enormous positive health impact of replacing millions of polluting vehicles with zero emission ones

I'm conflicted on this one. Famously, Tesla's main revenue source for ages was selling green credits to other car makers. Presumably, if not for Tesla, these car makers would have had to do something else.

The way I see it, he converted his cars' greenness into other people's fumes. So not a net win after all.


How do you know? Maybe he doesn't name these Elon?



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